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After a bit of digging and a lot of conflating information over xgame, finally got confirmed on how do rents, automated income and memberships work together, and I think that unearthed a problem.

As non member, any rent you pay on your flats you own (no matter how much is the rent or how many flats you got) is added to your automated income. There are very quick and pretty efficient ways to max your automated income, especially when players are a bit more established in the game, so you can have big flat, and satellite network of flats, for X amount of downtime IC labour and no other expense to your in game wealth.

As a member, everything but the one flat you apply membership to comes directly out of your pocket, your automated limit stays at REDACTED, DO NOT INCLUDE INFO LIKE THIS ON THE BGBB. That means if you want to keep small side flat as emergency, you just flat pay that out of pocket. You do gain some time back for not having to pay for the medium flat as a balance, but that doesn't always equate to being able to earn more RP income.

This currently can lead to some a bit bizarre spot where someone with access to fast automated income could afford big expensive flats, and spend nothing on it. Where a member would hassle tons of RP income to cover that rent.

I feel like this heavily desensitizes taking on a membership.

My proposal: either set policy (if it cannot be code enforced) to not play the non-membership income increase this way, or let membership players rent their rents the same way as non-member players.

Definitely keep the rent automation increases in for non-members, as it's an absolutely 100% great idea, just maybe needs a bit of balancing out.

(Edited by Slither at 9:16 am on 10/18/2024)

By Aida at Oct 17, 2024, 10:42 AM | 0
I'd rather embrace the theme struggle and not game a way to take advantage of the rent relief that was added.

Just because something is there to help and doesn't have a limit of amount of apartments it can apply to doesn't mean we should encourage renting whole networks of apartments just because automated income covers for non-members.

By crashdown at Oct 17, 2024, 12:10 PM | 0
Staff,

Please edit the original post and remove the reference to a specific number amount for the automated income cap.

By Hek at Oct 17, 2024, 12:45 PM | 0
As it relates to the specific discussion and membership, the original post overlooks the benefit of a member not having to regularly log into the game to maintain a safe place to log off.

Other than simply being willing to support the ongoing longevity of the game with the contribution of actual money, my main membership benefit is not having to login multiple times a week to maintain a place for my character to stay.

Regarding the specific issue of exploiting the system as detailed in the original post, a simple code fix would be to generate a list of apartments rented by players, then sort that list high to low and only give them the discount for the highest price apartment that they are renting in any given week.

It is not all that difficult to see how a dedicated player could generate tens of thousands of chyen a week through the automated systems, well at the same time locking the rest of the player base out of those income streams. It is definitely an edge case, but it's not that far out of the realm of possibility.

By Hek at Oct 17, 2024, 12:51 PM | 0
I've checked this, there are only a handful of non member players with more than one apartment, and none have more that two. I'm not sure there is a problem here. Yes, I could add some code to restrict the benefit to the earnings cap, but that seems like something that will just cause additional confusion as to how the system work. I don't think there is any abuse happening here. If I had seen a few players with three+ apartments I'd want to look deeper, but this all seems fine.
By Slither at Oct 18, 2024, 9:35 AM | 0
I think maybe other avenues of non-member rent relief should be considered for roles that cannot access automated income.
By batko at Oct 18, 2024, 11:35 AM | 0
I'm going to be honest. If you're hustling hard enough to cover multiple pads with the automated systems, especially if it's a large pad… more power to you. I don't know that anyone could reasonably generate that much income from the automated systems on a consistent basis, but if it's just going toward rent, then I personally am not concerned.
By Quotient at Oct 18, 2024, 2:10 PM | 0
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