Change stat nanos

Nanos being changed in the way you suggested would only empower players who min/max their characters because those with more balanced builds tend to have lower stats and more skill investment.

A change like this would definitely fuck up everyone's builds, mine included to put it mildly, but it would lessen the built-in cost of end game combat and allow players more choice about running light or heavy and get them potentially more active in more situations. Hard bandage to tear off but something to consider long run.

I do agree combat nanos make skill heavy builds that have to pass tough fixed checks with STR or AGI weaker; hybrid pilots and mechanics are the two that come to mind.

I would sooner make nanos permanent, like biomods. They are supposed to be literally mutating you, aren't they? Antigens allow this to be a long term, sustainable thing. Character churn will keep demand going. Nanos aren't something you can just go and get secondhand, either, which is something other players have pointed out in the past as something ripper docs have been excluded from. If they are permanent, then the cost of a full loadout of nanos after a death is removed, which would accomplish another goal being discussed in other threads right now.

I would probably exclude toxin binders, nanosurgeons, etc. Those strike me more as "active" additions to the body that wouldn't persist through a clone.

You'd still need to go see a doc for antigens if you want to swap them out, so it doesn't completely eradicate costs or the need to see PC docs.

Also yeah, when it comes to stats and builds, speaking from my own experience everyone will tell you something different and parsing fact from assumption is almost impossible.

The game is supposed to be high stakes. If you water it down, it will lose its flare. Remember kids, high risk, high reward! Go take risks! Lose those nanos and get some new ones!

Strongly disagree. Nanos being permanent removes the ability to change your load outs.

There are antigens in the game to remove the nanos now, but I also doubt many people are changing their loadouts that often.

They also raise the stakes for risk of death, which I think is a good thing and not something to be ez-mode'd.

One of the heavy topics of discussion that a good amount of players are in agreement is that the stakes in question are too high.

Nanos provide a unique way to enforce recovery time after a death so I wouldn't want them to just become permanent.

I don't personally feel nanos are so impactful that they would be the sole defining reason for my avoiding an engagement unless I expected to be the primary target and needed every possible advantage. And in that case, wouldn't the opponents in question be just as frustrated by my spending time in "recovery" and refusing to engage outright?

Also, what is really happening in the scope of the time it takes to get and recover from nanos?

Making them drastically cheaper would be nice but not having to get them as often would be much nicer, imo, so I can support them lasting a few clones.

Nano recovery is one of those mechanics that make it so that guy you just murdered doesn't come strolling out of the vat fully combat ready, forcing you to either back up off of them or chain vat them. Hits on people who are fresh out of the vat would also be made even more difficult if they pop out of the vat with their nanos still activated and ready to go.

That period of time where you are weaker than usual is a good thing because it forces you to either take a breather or commit to potentially having to pay that full recovery fee a second time. If someone wants to get out there without their full combat suite then that's their prerogative and is okay.

I have gotten out of the vat and immediately gone after my enemies while my HP was damaged from nano swelling, sometimes the gamble does pay off.

I would go as far as to say that the nano recovery time is even more important than the actual cost for what it offers as a game mechanic. Slashing the price would have far less of a dramatic effect on the game than just doing away with the recovery time would.

Maybe every normal clone has a mild case of the penalties imposed by corpse cloning.

Like we want people to bounce back and not take losses so heavily. We don't want to hit them with penalties on top of loss on top of just enriching their opponents. I think you can look at those pressures in a vacuum and say they make sense where you have a game where players are treating death lightly, but I really don't feel like that's a problem.

Players pretty routinely die and perm themselves immediately out of emotional turmoil. I feel like players take death a lot more seriously then the theme might even suggest they should.

I do agree that all things because equal adjusting the prices is the change in the realm of the possible compared to touching the code which is always a high ask, but I do kind of love the concept even if we don't have the dev time for it.