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I think it would be a smart idea to make the various drug labs in the game consume chemicals that have to be re-stocked when they run out, akin to a bar needing bar supplies.
By Mindhunter at Feb 18, 2025, 6:51 PM
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The price of labs is already a psudo gate to entry. Adding to it may not be the best. I say this as someone who has never played a candyman.
By Rillem at Feb 18, 2025, 6:53 PM
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Many things are costly. Not all of those things are capable of printing money to cover the costs quickly.
By Mindhunter at Feb 18, 2025, 6:54 PM
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You do not cover the cost 'quickly',
There is a weekly limit to how much you can earn ingame, as well as other factors.
By Ociex at Feb 18, 2025, 6:56 PM
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Did you just forget about PC sales, Ociex?
By Eve at Feb 18, 2025, 6:58 PM
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Perhaps our definitions of "quickly" aren't the same.
I don't know what weekly automated income cap has to do with it though.
By Mindhunter at Feb 18, 2025, 6:58 PM
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This might be a good incentive to keep things competitive for characters with a lab so that they have to not just break even but also profit on top of covering the cost of the supplies if there was a need to renew the chemicals after X cycles of drugs, rather than be a way to make chyen infinitely without any real extra cost.
By Cowbell at Feb 18, 2025, 7:00 PM
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By Eve at Feb 18, 2025, 7:01 PM
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Yes but there ISN'T a limit to how many additional runners you can hire to sling your product while giving you a cut.
The cost is also not a gate to entry because some easily lost gear and chrome can cost nearly as much as one unit for production which you can bolt into a locked room and never lose.
Pretty sure this idea has been posted about before and it still gets my +1 vote. If I remember correctly a past staffer who was coding had said adding the necessity for ingredients was intended, but they left and it was never implemented.
By Nymphali at Feb 18, 2025, 7:02 PM
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It used to be a lot easier to lose a drug lab through a crit fail than it is now. I'm glad that system was adjusted as the complete destruction of a lab after one mistake was definitely too harsh.
It also used to be extremely tedious to produce candy with players having to go as far as setting timers on IRL devices to make sure they didn't forget to tend their candy. This was also improved on so players don't have to spend as much time obsessing over candy tending.
I am not complaining about candy production being made easier through QoL updates, but I am acknowledging that the barrier for entry is now much lower than it used to be. The cost is still there but when you have the lab you're probably profiting off it a lot with not much worry of losing it.
Drug wars also used to be more common on the game, with rival factions constantly attempting to find ways to steal or disrupt the labs of their competition. This is less of a factor now as well.
I'm not sure if updating labs so that they have to be refilled after every few cycles is the answer as I believe the primary issue is the lack of conflict around them, but it might help make it less of an infinite chy farm.
By Necronex666 at Feb 18, 2025, 7:05 PM
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@Nymphali
People have lost their drug labs from people sneaking into their labs and stealing them, it has happened, and it will happen again, even if they're bolted.
By Beepboop at Feb 18, 2025, 7:12 PM
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I think conflict around drugs would mostly solve some stagnation of things, but that involves risk. Why would someone risk their neck for the drug they can buy for ten cents that they can then walk around the corner and sell for thirty bucks?
By Mindhunter at Feb 18, 2025, 7:13 PM
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@BeepBoop
Yes, obviously this is a thing that can and has happened. The problem is that it happens so infrequently chemists can, as others have said, continue to endlessly print chyen with zero risk involved.
By Nymphali at Feb 18, 2025, 7:14 PM
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I mean, I'd be all for this but there is a lot of misunderstanding of the economics of drug production in this thread.
This would be a massive advantage to scale producers in the form of a deeper moat on production costs, because scale production much prefers a higher price, and so this would essentially be a tax on end users (either injecting or flipping to gangers) that would take their percentage and take it out of the economy.
So this would definitely reduce inflation of the chyen in circulation overall, but the players losing money would be at the street level, not at the production level.
By 0x1mm at Feb 18, 2025, 7:18 PM
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I don't want to venture off topic, but I feel like the profit should be mostly with the chemist, and that the courier should suffer more of a hit.
As it stands it feels like everyone is a drug dealer as a hobby and any chance for a faceman or fixer to stick their hand in the game is much more gated behind lab-to-table chemists with access to shelves in a store or vending machines.
I also disagree with the examples of labs going missing as being a reason to maintain the current system. We all know that a select few people will ever make that happen and the circumstances have to be perfect, it is not commonplace. To be honest, it probably shouldn't be commonplace.
By Mindhunter at Feb 18, 2025, 7:34 PM
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I don't want to venture off topic, but I feel like the profit should be mostly with the chemist, and that the courier should suffer more of a hit.
As it stands it feels like everyone is a drug dealer as a hobby and any chance for a faceman or fixer to stick their hand in the game is much more gated behind lab-to-table chemists with access to shelves in a store or vending machines.
I also disagree with the examples of labs going missing as being a reason to maintain the current system. We all know that a select few people will ever make that happen and the circumstances have to be perfect, it is not commonplace. To be honest, it probably shouldn't be commonplace.
By Mindhunter at Feb 18, 2025, 7:34 PM
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I'm not sure why I said 'massive' before, it's not massive per se, it's just however much the per unit cost of chemicals would be which probably wouldn't be a lot. I do think extra production costs are kind of immaterial next to the distribution logistics at a certain scale because total production supply already is greater than all the demand that exists, so if you wanted to tweak the knobs of drug production (and I'm not sure if that's a great idea just for the hell of it because a big chunk of the game's economy is resting on it), it would make a lot more sense to me to tweak payouts, doses, or per run production.
I do however think it would be very very hard to tweak these factors in a way that wouldn't put new entrants into the market at a disadvantage though, whether economic factors will cause increases or decreases is competition is something the game has never really had a great handle on, it's a really complex system and always hard to know how changes work out even with a lot of retrospect.
By 0x1mm at Feb 18, 2025, 9:15 PM
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Like I feel the economic factors right now strongly encourage cartelization and pretty much the only thing stopping all the major drug producers from forming a game-wide cartel and price fixing to their mutual benefit is it's just slightly too much player coordination required for the extra profit.
I can understand players on the outside feeling there's not enough competition going on over resources, but I believe it would be a mistake to think things couldn't be less competitive because they absolutely could be compared to how they are now. Given how expensive and involved it is to set up major drug operations I'm actually kind of shocked it ended up as non-monopolistic as it has now.
By 0x1mm at Feb 18, 2025, 9:25 PM
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