Login to post. Membership required.
Sindome is a weird social club because we're not often able to socialize much as real people, due to the IC-OOC divide. However we have shared interests in cyberpunk media and I was wondering if anyone else would be interested in scheduling readings (and re-readings) of cyberpunk classic and modern novels and sharing our thoughts on them.
I'd be interested in doing other forms of media too, but I'd think that books are generally more convenient to procure and divide into manageable chunks.
Anyone wanna do this?
By Cinder at Jun 7, 2020, 1:31 AM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
By CryptPhoenix at Jun 7, 2020, 1:34 AM
|
0
SPLATJOB
53 posts
Can you do it with @rules
2.G Sharing Contact Information in mind?
https://www.sindome.org/rules/
"generally discouraged and should be avoided at all costs"[/i}
By beandip at Jun 7, 2020, 1:40 AM
|
0
LEGEND
747 posts
"explicitly prohibited without express written permission from the admin"
Crypt casts an appraising eye over the area, searching for something.
By CryptPhoenix at Jun 7, 2020, 1:42 AM
|
0
SPLATJOB
53 posts
I think so, we can just base discussions and book announcements entirely on this thread and so avoid any sharing of contact infos. Nominations and votes for books can also be done manually on the bgBB but it might get a little spammy.
Having staff endorsement to put out Google Forms for book nominations and votes would help a lot, as it would avoid the worry that anybody might pass contact infos to me surreptitiously through forms.
By Cinder at Jun 7, 2020, 1:43 AM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
By ynk at Jun 7, 2020, 10:26 AM
|
0
LEGEND
1,097 posts
Anor bless this idea, I'm in.
By Jameson at Jun 7, 2020, 1:27 PM
|
0
GATO
559 posts
Looks like there are enough people interested to do this, then. We can start nominating books.
The way I imagine this will work is that each person suggest a title, and I'll put out an anonymous poll (without any text fields for people to sneak info to me) where you can rate which one you want to read. We leave one week or more of time where people can acquire the book, and we can have weekly discussions on each manageable chunks.
Obviously don't suggest any book without an ebook version or we'll never get anything done.
My own nomination is the low-hanging fruit, Count Zero. It's been a while since I've read it.
By Cinder at Jun 7, 2020, 4:57 PM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
Solid nomination right there!
-
Devil's advocating for Neal Stephenson's 1995 classic 'the Diamond Age'.
If a later hard-scifi variant with even -more- androgyny, sociopolitical strife, and space-tech is fine, his later 2015 release of 'Seven Eves' was -incredible-.
By CryptPhoenix at Jun 7, 2020, 5:08 PM
|
0
SPLATJOB
53 posts
IMO Count Zero is the FUNNEST of the Sprawl trilogy.
And Diamond Age - YES, it's so hack. Outstanding reading and except for Snow Crash, the most Sindome of Stephenson's books.
By beandip at Jun 7, 2020, 6:08 PM
|
0
LEGEND
747 posts
By ynk at Jun 7, 2020, 7:41 PM
|
0
LEGEND
1,097 posts
Yes! Forgot about Neuromancer. Thanks for the list!
By CryptPhoenix at Jun 7, 2020, 9:07 PM
|
0
SPLATJOB
53 posts
We could vote on the books on the Inspiration list first, unless people want to do something else.
By Cinder at Jun 7, 2020, 11:21 PM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
Maybe combined both? Have the list as a nice go-to guide, but still offer the option of suggesting things we wouldn't otherwise know about.
Re-reading classics is great but there's nothin' quite like discovering a new favorite novel.
By CryptPhoenix at Jun 7, 2020, 11:23 PM
|
0
SPLATJOB
53 posts
If we're using the list as the guide then I suppose I would also nominate Aleph Zero by our very own Kuzco. Which should also be on the Inspiration list too, I think.
By Cinder at Jun 8, 2020, 2:25 AM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
Great way to support the community -and- get our cyberpunk on.
By CryptPhoenix at Jun 8, 2020, 3:04 AM
|
0
SPLATJOB
53 posts
Okay, I'm going to give some time for people to send in nominations, then we'll close it on 15th of June LA time. If you have any book titles you want to nominate (including the ones on the Inspiration list) then post them here before then.
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200615T00&p0=137&font=cursive
By Cinder at Jun 8, 2020, 10:56 PM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
The nomination list was a little bare so I added in a few from the Inspiration list. Obviously you guys can nominate more after the vote.
Books up for voting
Count Zero - William Gibson
Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson
Aleph Zero - Facundo Agüello (Kuzco)
Recombination - Brendan Butts (Slither/Fengshui)
Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson
How to vote
To avoid sharing contact details, we'll be voting here on this thread. Just pick the book . If you change your vote later on I'll really appreciate it if you pointed that out in bold on your new vote post, so that I know to subtract out your old vote.
The provisional deadline is June 22 to get your votes in, but if you guys feel that's too short I can extend it. https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200622T00&p0=137&font=cursive
By Cinder at Jun 15, 2020, 5:33 PM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
I vote for Aleph Zero - Facundo Agüello (Kuzco).
By CryptPhoenix at Jun 15, 2020, 5:35 PM
|
0
SPLATJOB
53 posts
Oh, actually, people should pick their First Choice and Second Choice in case there's a tie.
As for my own vote…
First choice: Snow Crash
Second choice: Aleph Zero
By Cinder at Jun 15, 2020, 5:36 PM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
Oh.
First choice: Aleph Zero by Facundo Agüello (Kuzco).
Second: Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson
By CryptPhoenix at Jun 15, 2020, 5:38 PM
|
0
SPLATJOB
53 posts
Diamond Age is one of my favorite Stephenson books, but Snow Crash is more CP and is also way up there.
1. Aleph Zero
2. Show Crash
By beandip at Jun 16, 2020, 9:18 AM
|
0
LEGEND
747 posts
1. Aleph Zero - Facundo Agüello (Kuzco).
2. Diamond Age
By Slither at Jun 17, 2020, 10:07 AM
|
0
JUSTICE
5,160 posts
Will toss in my vote for Aleph Zero and Diamond Age as well!
(I am a bad person who hasn't yet read Recombination book 2 past the first chapter.)
By ynk at Jun 17, 2020, 10:14 AM
|
0
LEGEND
1,097 posts
The voting window hasn't closed yet, but so far the votes are:
Aleph Zero: 5
Diamond Age: 3
Snow Crash: 2
By Cinder at Jun 19, 2020, 12:14 AM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
I'm down for anything but Snow Crash. I disliked that book so much, I really don't want to read it again. :P
By Manywaters at Jun 19, 2020, 12:48 AM
|
0
BATA
270 posts
I'll vote for Aleph Zero.
By Manywaters at Jun 19, 2020, 12:49 AM
|
0
BATA
270 posts
Okay, time's up. We'll be reading Aleph Zero.
How this will work is that everyone will be given a week to do their reading, and then you'll be allowed to discuss the section you just read. Don't discuss ahead, so that we don't spoil people who are slow.
Current Book: Aleph Zero, by Facundo Agüello
Read: Chapters 1 - 14 (don't start Chapter 15)
Deadline: https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200629T00&p0=137&font=cursive&csz=1
By Cinder at Jun 22, 2020, 1:25 AM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
By Cinder at Jun 22, 2020, 1:25 AM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0858YXVDP/I avoid doing business with Amazon whenever possible, but it seems this is the only way to get Aleph Zero. I'm given the option to start a free trial of Kindle, or spend $9 on the novel. I'm assuming that the $9 option puts at least some money in Kuzco's pocket, yes?
How do I ensure the most money goes to Kuzco and the least goes to Amazon?
By ynk at Jun 22, 2020, 6:29 AM
|
0
LEGEND
1,097 posts
There's, unfortunately, nothing I can say in public.
By Cinder at Jun 22, 2020, 7:05 AM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
I can't say 100% but since I also have a book on Amazon– buying it is probably the best way. I have never figured out how much money goes to me if someone reads my book on Kindle Unlmited.
By Slither at Jun 22, 2020, 9:22 AM
|
0
JUSTICE
5,160 posts
Hello folks, Slither told me to come check this thread. You are all very kind and I feel truly humbled and flattered by your enthusiasm.
Unfortunately – yes, Amazon has to be the way! I know Jeff Bezos has a tiny little lots of money already (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3VFmmqFCoM) but book platforms are usually fairly draconian in the slices they take from each sale anyways. Amazon doesn't charge much, comparatively (30%), doesn't impose vampiric contracts, and is generally very accessible for anyone in the globe. I don't have argentine alternatives anyhow! Also banking, it's almost impossible to send dollars to Argentina and I can work something out with Amazon.
By Kuzco at Jun 22, 2020, 9:38 AM
|
0
SOLO
396 posts
Aleph Zero is an AMAZING book, you guys picked correctly.
By villa at Jun 22, 2020, 3:21 PM
|
0
GATO
595 posts
Also, I forgot to factor in the time people'll need to get the book, does anybody want me to extend the deadline a bit? Since we're not doing this live it's not that important though anyhow.
By Cinder at Jun 22, 2020, 5:13 PM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
Was everyone able to do the reading? If not, I can extend it to next week, although I'm already personally getting impatient with finishing Part One and would prefer people play catch-up.
Current Book: Aleph Zero by Facundo Agüello
Read: Chapters 15-28 (Don't start Part Two)
Any thoughts on the book so far?
By Cinder at Jun 29, 2020, 5:56 PM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
Am gonna start reading tonight, about how long is part one? If under 300 pages I should be set for part two tomorrow morning. Sorry if I'm holding things up, been a busy week.
By CryptPhoenix at Jun 29, 2020, 5:59 PM
|
0
SPLATJOB
53 posts
If people find 1 week too short to set aside time to read, I can have it be 2 weeks and double the reading instead. The book has 3 parts and the estimated reading time for the entire book is apparently 3 hours, but I'm personally faster than that.
By Cinder at Jun 29, 2020, 11:14 PM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
By Cinder at Jun 30, 2020, 5:30 AM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
Just consumed chapters 1 - 15 without realizing how quickly it had gone. That's 1/5th of the book so far. 😊 The chapters are very short, and there are a lot of time & location jumps. It takes a moment to get used to the pacing.
I enjoyed how a number of sentences leave you to fill in the blanks. In particular, the phrases "bigger and wider than he would have preferred" and "pleasant memories, now bittersweet" tell stories all by their own. Some of the descriptions are expertly crafted, including mentions of "hydric explosions," and the ceasing of the "electronic bass' seismic tension." The most vivid to me so far is, "A slight mist was beginning to settle, which caused the light sources to be crowned with haloes, like saints in a photonic sky."
I like to get in characters' heads, and so far feels like the characters want to keep me at a distance. They have enough problems as it is, and I'm unwelcome.
I can forgive the numerous typoes. As a translation, it's better than not having one at all.
I did get distracted a bit with learning all sorts of things, like how a microwave gun works. 😅
Looking forward to reading the rest!
By ynk at Jun 30, 2020, 1:14 PM
|
0
LEGEND
1,097 posts
Sorry if I'm not offering much thoughts, I'm in like 3 book clubs. 🥺
I do like the premise of a cyberpunk novel that for once isn't set in the "center of the world" though. I kind of almost get a Raccoon City vibe, if not for the lack of zombies.
The quarantine is very topical right now too, except the people involved in this book has functional brain cells.
Also, we'll move on to the next part tomorrow, is everyone catching up?
By Cinder at Jul 5, 2020, 3:55 AM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
By Hek at Jul 5, 2020, 1:26 PM
|
0
LEGEND
1,167 posts
By Cinder at Jul 5, 2020, 10:32 PM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
People being radio silent kind of makes me concerned the pace isntoo fast, bit until anyone says anything I'm gonna keep going.
Current Book: Aleph Zero by Facundo Agüello
Read: Chapters 29-36
By Cinder at Jul 6, 2020, 4:19 AM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
Sorry I haven't been offering much commentary of my own, I'm super busy and distracted lol.
Current Book: Aleph Zero by Facundo Agüello
Read: Chapters 37-44
By Cinder at Jul 13, 2020, 2:41 AM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
Blah. I've been crazy busy that I haven't had much chance to read before bed.
I'm up to chapter 22. The pace is picking up.
By ynk at Jul 13, 2020, 4:21 PM
|
0
LEGEND
1,097 posts
Speaking of pace picking up, I'm on Chapter 37 now. What a wild ride that was.
I had to flip back a number of chapters to fully digest the timeline. The events are ordered well, despite this.
Looking forward to reading more.
By ynk at Jul 16, 2020, 3:06 AM
|
0
LEGEND
1,097 posts
Valeriaaaaaaa. 😢
Chapter 38 was rough.
By ynk at Jul 17, 2020, 3:33 AM
|
0
LEGEND
1,097 posts
(Whoops, did not mean to tap Post Reply yet!)
By ynk at Jul 17, 2020, 3:34 AM
|
0
LEGEND
1,097 posts
Finished chapter 44. I don't want to stop reading. Blaaaah!
By ynk at Jul 17, 2020, 4:11 AM
|
0
LEGEND
1,097 posts
"Valeria looked at her com; it still had signal. Near her, Sergeant Wang talked to someone on her own device. With her black assault armor, it was a little funny to see her chatting relaxedly. Every so often she looked at Valeria sideways while muttering. There were only a few moments left for URCOUN to interrupt telecommunications, before the entire area would be held incommunicated."
When monas in full combat gear is just chilling at the bar talking on her proggie.
By Cinder at Jul 18, 2020, 8:40 PM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
I really liked that part. It helped to humanize the lot of soldiers and show that they were more than just protocol-following drones. And that makes them even more frightening.
I feel we haven't talked much about Alejandro. And that might come from the fact that he's been forced into the action hero trope of being beat to heck and still forced to continue after the past 3 conflicts that left him mortally wounded. I forget if it's mentioned explicitly Shamhat's relationship with him, but it feels like they're together almost out of necessity.
When she accepted Laura's gift for him, he was in too much discomfort to be uncomfortable about that. So maybe it's not that we haven't been able to see much of him as a person (Rubik's cube excepted) but that the circumstances he's been put in prevent him from expressing himself.
We do get internal glimpses into his thoughts and feelings, like when his thoughts flashed in rapid succession while he was attempting to jump over to the bunker.
I foresee the current conflict as what will push Alejandro and Valeria together.
By ynk at Jul 19, 2020, 7:09 AM
|
0
LEGEND
1,097 posts
Well… if they both survive.
Also, I'm hoping Shamhat is okay.
Current Book: Aleph Zero by Facundo Agüello
Read: Chapters 45-50
By Cinder at Jul 20, 2020, 4:53 PM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
I accidentally finished it all tonight. Couldn't put it down. Loved it.
By ynk at Jul 20, 2020, 7:29 PM
|
0
LEGEND
1,097 posts
I finished the book too because I wasn't sure if anyone else but me and ynk were reading lol.
Interest seems to have dropped off so I'm not sure if I should continue, but I guess we'll still vote for the next book to read. This time I suppose we'll just go for the first choice because the first choice/second choice system seemed to end up being needlessly confusing.
Another concern I also have is that it feels like some people were just simply too busy to keep up, while me and ynk were just being tortured having to wait before we get to read. Any thoughts on how to deal with that?
By Cinder at Jul 28, 2020, 4:26 AM
|
0
BATA
207 posts
I think Crypt and Hek tried, at least.
I'm typically the only one who actually does the reading in any book club I've joined, lol.
Hopefully someone else did, but hasn't posted yet?
By ynk at Jul 28, 2020, 3:12 PM
|
0
LEGEND
1,097 posts
Hey guys =) Glad and flattered you read the novel. Any thoughts on Part Three? The tone changes quite a bit .
By Kuzco at Jul 30, 2020, 1:54 PM
|
0
SOLO
396 posts
If I recall correctly, there were no more flashbacks in part three. Valeria & Alejandro were brought together, and with Shamhat and eventually Laura, they all had only one path forward. Part three was more-or-less the final confrontation.
I had to look away during Alejandro's beating and when the goons were like "we can start the real torture now if you'd like" and I was soooo thankful you didn't go there. I would've had to nope out of that.
You wrote Valeria really well, from start to finish. I was crying as she was dying, and I literally sat up in shock when Alejandro redeemed himself and injected her.
By ynk at Jul 31, 2020, 9:20 AM
|
0
LEGEND
1,097 posts